Rex Tillerson's Firing

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Rex Tillerson's Firing

Some years ago I got some very sound advice from a client. His advice was don't buy a dog if you intend to bark yourself. The basis was he had hired the firm for which I worked to design and manage the construction of a large power plant that was necessary to support a mining and refining complex his company was building in the Dominican Republic. He had come to my employer because he was told we were one of the best at what we did. He told us what he wanted done and we did it. I managed the project and when we met to review progress it was only to report we were doing what he had asked, within the time he wanted it and the budget we had agreed we could meet. Never once, even when we ran into snags, did he tells us how to do our job.

It appears Trump, unlike Ronald Reagan, has not picked people who could execute whatever vision he has, either because he hasn't effectively communicated to his subordinates what he wants or not enough so he could trust them to execute it.

The real problem is that the troops in the field have gotten used to new bosses nearly every four years and the boss level is too deep to start with. Its like a bank with dozens of vice presidents because under the law they must be officers in order to commit the bank to any deal, including signing up new depositors. The British solve this problem by staffing their departments with experienced professionals and the Ministers are merely figureheads. Nearly every one of their Ambassadors is a career professional.

The federal bureaucracy is the largest of its kind in the world. With its diverse responsibilities, most of which have been taken on despite the prohibitions in the Constitution, it is virtually unmanageable so it no wonder it is so inefficient.

Because our government has failed to tax to pay for all of the unconstitutional objectives it pursues its ultimate failure has been assured.

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pmconusa said: ". . . It

pmconusa said: ". . . It appears Trump, unlike Ronald Reagan, has not picked people who could execute whatever vision he has, either because he hasn't effectively communicated to his subordinates what he wants or not enough so he could trust them to execute it. . . . "

Not necessarily. Tillerson is eminently qualified for the job. But, through his years as a CEO he hasn't been called on to work in collaboration with anyone else. He's the Boss and it's a little late in the game for him to change that pattern.

A Secretary of State has to work in partnership with POTUS to convey American policy and image abroad. I don't see Tillerson having done this.

Pompeo seems to be more of a collaborator and already has a strong working relationship with President Trump.

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Another first for a president

Another first for a president - firing a Secretary of State via Twitter, How classy.

The last straw triggering his firing is that Tillerson dared to side with Great Britain and criticize Russia for the poisoning of ex-spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter.

Mustn't ruffle Mr. Putin's feathers,

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So cute how you dipshits

So cute how you dipshits think this was a well-reasoned and calculated move by Trump. Everything he does is as spontaneous as a fart and just as foul. Not hard to see why you wingnuts worship him.

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Bluejay: The job of Secretary

Bluejay: The job of Secretary of State is to primarily negotiate trade deals. Rex Tillerson as former CEO of EXXON oversaw a far flung empire mostly engaged in the petroleum trade. I recall Ali Naimi in his biography recalls dealing with Tillerson on a potential joint venture and dropping it when Tillerson insisted the deal should be based on a 20% return, which Naimi thought would sink it. Naimi was at the time the Minister of Petroleum and Minerals and before that my boss.

The point of my post is my opinion that Tillerson may be fully qualified to negotiate trade deals, but not the way Trump would do it in his place. I recall another incident in my own career when my boss asked me to respond to a letter he had received. When I showed him what I was proposing to send he asked me to make significant changes in my reply and when I returned with the draft, now over his signature he asked why. I told him it was no longer my response but his. He basically didn't want to do it himself and he expected I would answer like he would. I suspect a similar clash in the Trump/Tillerson case which is why I opined as I have. This incident didn't tell me much about Tillerson but an awful lot about Trump.

Since no one can do the job of President, even poorly, without delegation you can't succeed if you have to surround yourself with even competent yes men.

The greatest complement I ever received was from an employee of mine who I had given the job of managing the design and construction of the 623 mile NGL pipeline across the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia with a budget of over $1 billion. I had learned how to build pipelines but I couldn't manage this one and all the other projects associated with it that totaled nearly $4 billion. I don't think he and I exchanged more than a few thousand words in the nearly three years it took to build pipeline. His job was to build the pipeline and mine was to give him the resources need to succeed and insulate him from those who wanted to tell him how to do it, including myself. He completed the line six months ahead of schedule and $300 million under budget. When I saw him recently at a reunion his complement was that I was the best boss he ever had.

I can fully understand the frustration of a competent individual who has to endure the constant interference, not only of his boss, but the Congress who his boss lets them either constantly criticize what he is doing or trying to tell him how. I would certainly never take a job with those conditions, particularly if I had to give up one that paid a hell of lot more and much fewer Monday morning quarterbacks.

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Where did this idiotic idea

Where did this idiotic idea of Trump "worship" come from? Is it projection by Hillary acolytes? Wishful thinking?

I don't know any Trump worshipers, but I do know plenty of Clinton haters. Many voted against Hillary not for Trump.

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Guess you missed the

Guess you missed the Pennsylvania rally where fat sycophants and stupid bimbos were out in force to gobble up the red meat thrown out by the orange puke. Thought I saw you in the crowd.

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There is an old saying about

There is an old saying about making a choice of who to govern you, it goes "the devil you know is better that the devil you don't know". It was hoped by those who voted for Trump that he would instigate changes that were less damaging to your life, liberties and property. That hasn't happened and the supposed tax cuts are not a change for the better but for the worse in the long term because they were not accompanied by any spending cuts. The damage to our lives and economy that makes it possible was done by previous administrations with their unconstitutionally mandated spending and will not be reversed by either party except at the expense of their jobs and that is not going to happen. The common denominator in the old saying is devil so it doesn't make any real difference in which one you select.

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WTF

WTF

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I'm pretty sure he decided he

I'm pretty sure he decided he was going to fire him a while ago and was waiting for a negative news cycle (GOP catastrophe in PA, Stormy Daniels, take your pick) to try to distract everyone.

Edit: why let a good crazy move go to waste

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What a joke, this isn't any

What a joke, this isn't any mystery, it's just Trump pushing his Iran deal killer rant he has been going on for some time. Rex might have thought best to let sleeping dogs die.

Kushner, Ivanka get together and push the anglozionist to papa boy and it's back to against Hamas and for greater Israel, not to mention the neocons that think Amurica can rule the world with its 22 trillion dollar debt to China, Central banks ad nauseum. It's amazing how these losers can constantly bring up this Russian BS, yeah that countries the size of Russian, China and Iran look at the debt ridden US and it's vassal states as adversaries, and tell us to piss off.

In fact we have called them worse than ISIS. Republicrats what a bunch of assholes. Probably get us all nuked, if only that cunt Hilliary was in there

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Don't you just love it. The

Don't you just love it. The Fascist/Liberal/Socialist swine keep throwing crap at Trump hoping their twisted and demented lack of logic will turn us against him. As long as he is doing exactly what he said he would do, we are in his corner. It makes their pea-sized brains explode. Lucky there is not enough gray matter in them to matter at all.

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It was George Mason a framer

It was George Mason a framer of the Constitution who refused to ultimately sign the final compromise who gave Thomas Jefferson the idea that all men are equal. What Mason said and Jefferson plagiarized only a part was "all men are created equal under the law". The following can only be true if the law applies equally to all. It doesn't, despite the fact the Constitution prohibits bills of attainder and ex post facto laws. The entire tax code is comprised of bills of attainder, exempting some and taking more from some and less from others.

The alternative to government, is no government, not more government or less government. Our initial choice was government which meant someone or some group, telling the rest what they can and cannot do. The Constitution was supposed to be a mutual defense pact but to pay for it they would have to cough up gold or silver, hence the revelation he who has the gold makes the rules and they took off the fetters in 1819 with the McColloch versus Maryland rule by Chief Justice John Marshal who ruled the Congress could do virtually anything that was not prohibited by the Constitution. We have been going down hill ever since. Every law and regulation being promulgated by your legislatures and Congress is to insure the battle between the have more and the have less continues while those who have the gold continue making more.

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The needle is stuck again.

The needle is stuck again.

I keep telling you to go digital, so the broken record thing is no longer a problem.

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The elites simply cannot

The elites simply cannot conceive of anyone not agreeing with them.

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Republicrats what a bunch of

Republicrats what a bunch of assholes. Probably get us all nuked, if only that cunt Hilliary was in there

Woohoo, MikieG! Thanks for the support. I do believe my work here is done. I leave you pigs to wallow in your own shit.

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Smegma can we assume that

Smegma can we assume , we shall not hear from you again then ?

Or do we have to name another one?

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http://www.unz.com/mwhitney

http://www.unz.com/mwhitney/ww3-the-u-s-threatens-to-bomb-syria-while-pu...

The replacement of Secretary of State Rex Tillerson with CIA Director Mike Pompeo signals a hawkish shift in the administration’s foreign policy that is clearly intended to prepare the country for a confrontation with Russia. Pompeo was not chosen for his diplomatic skills or his nuanced grasp of foreign relations but for his hardline approach to issues like North Korea, the Iran nuclear agreement, and the so-called “Russian threat”. With the nomination of Pompeo, Trump has abandoned his campaign promise to end the foreign interventions and regime change operations, and has instead aligned himself with a small group of arch-neocons who are fully committed to US global domination through the application of hard power.

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Mikeg

Mikeg
How do YOU propose to handle this ticking time bomb?

During his annual state of the nation address in Moscow on Thursday, Russian President Vladimir Putin boasted about the country's nuclear might.
In doing so he seemed to confirm the existence of a long-feared Russian doomsday device.
The weapon is a torpedo that has been reported to carry a nuclear warhead.
Radiation from the weapon could render large swaths of Earth uninhabitable for years.
Russia has previously let images of this device leak, and the US seemed to know about it before Thursday.

http://www.businessinsider.com/putin-confirms-russian-doomsday-nuclear-w...

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I'd propose just as Trump

I'd propose just as Trump proposed in his campaign speeches to disengage from these areas and let others do the heavy lifting if they chose. He also proposed to be "partners" with Russia, that flew out the window on day one and this administration and the west has been nothing but confrontational against russia

As far as the Putin threatening to use the final solution if attacked, that has been standard policy since I was taught to hide under my classroom desk. Seems that because there hasn't been a nuclear war that the west believes there never will be one and can push tanks right up to Russia's border, surround them with missile systems and threaten them like we do NK. Let's play chicken with Russia.

What Trump appears to be doing is contradicting two of the reasons that I voted for him, he is not being less confrontation with foreign intervention but more so and he apparently is supporting gutting the 2nd amendment.

Other than him not being Hilliary, I can't imagine why I'd vote for again.

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Maybe because he’s a

Maybe because he’s a misogynist like you? Although he prefers the term “pussy.”

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Ooooooo Smegma II slaps Mike

Ooooooo Smegma II slaps Mike G.

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Matt that term can be used

Matt the term can be used for both males and females and certainly in your case.

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Just further evidence that in

Just further evidence that in sustentative issues the Progressives always resort to name calling or smears because the illogic of their position cannot be defended any other way.

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I didn't know Mike G was a

I didn't know Mike G was a progressive .
Or Smegma II a progressive .
But that aside, it appears Mike G is in the lead. His comeback was clear and subtle but on point.
Score Mike G 1.5
Smegma II 1.2

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Cabinet members had started

Cabinet members had started to believe that they get a 4 year term of office too... until recently!

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A football team consists of

A football team consists of eleven players on defense and eleven players on offense. It used to be that there were only eleven players and one coach and a quarterback who had to call his own plays. Now there is a coach for nearly every position on both offense and defense. Why is that? I think it is because winning means more than it ever did and cannot be left to chance so the players are taught to follow orders and not think for themselves. Unfortunately, those that do stand out if they perchance are smarter than their masters and know better how to adjust to conditions as they develop. Of course, those who make their own choices and are wrong, get benched and so the risk is high for being wrong.

All sports and business is a sport of sorts because there are winners and loser, are played from the neck up. Those who think the best and are willing to take calculated risks succeed more often than fail. In professional sports that cannot be tolerated. Who gets fired when the team doesn't win? Naturally the coach, not because the players are bad, but their instructions were lousy.

I think I have said this before but it bears repeating because it adequately depicts the case of Trump. A Canadian mining company hired my firm to design and build a power station in the Dominican Republic. I was engaged to head the field effort. My contact with the mining firm was extremely knowledgeable about how to run a mining operation and knew he would only find himself out of his element trying to manage the building of a power station. One of his sage remarks during one of his frequent visits to the site to observe how things were going has stuck with me to this day. He said, "Don't buy a dog if you intend to bark yourself". I trust you will get the meaning of his remark.

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